Any tool for doc-files? Thread poster: Heinrich Pesch
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Heinrich Pesch 
Finland
Local time: 08:56
Member (2003)
Finnish to German
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I agreed to do a subtitling. The source texts are in a Word-file, with the timer in one row and the subtitle in two consecutive rows, separated by hard breaks and with leading dots.
.......first row
.......second row
I wonder if someone has an idea how this could be done easily. If I overwrite the texts, I later cannot easily compare my translation to the source, and it is not so easy to split and shorten the lines. I thought of a CAT tool like SDLX in tabular vie... See more I agreed to do a subtitling. The source texts are in a Word-file, with the timer in one row and the subtitle in two consecutive rows, separated by hard breaks and with leading dots.
.......first row
.......second row
I wonder if someone has an idea how this could be done easily. If I overwrite the texts, I later cannot easily compare my translation to the source, and it is not so easy to split and shorten the lines. I thought of a CAT tool like SDLX in tabular view, but maybe there is something better?
Regards
Heinrich ▲ Collapse
| | | | Ulozas
Luxembourg
Local time: 07:56
| Freeware style | May 10, 2010 |
Hello, Heinrich,
I just wrote you an answer and re-read the question So here's the second opinion
Open two Word docs side by side and simply rewrite the copy. Just like an ordinary translation. And a CAT tool is definitely a good idea! Just try Anaphraseus tool (free, TWB segmentation compat... See more Hello, Heinrich,
I just wrote you an answer and re-read the question So here's the second opinion
Open two Word docs side by side and simply rewrite the copy. Just like an ordinary translation. And a CAT tool is definitely a good idea! Just try Anaphraseus tool (free, TWB segmentation compatible, install from http://anaphraseus.sourceforge.net). It runs on MS Word and OpenOffice Writer, whichever you have bought. If you have the original segment saved, you may later refer to it, search for it, edit the translation etc.
For the leading dots: if there are always the same number of them, just search for "....." and replace by "" (nill), then reinsert into the final translation. That way you will not mess your memory file and will be able to reuse it afterwards.
If the dots vary in nuber, then I'd suggest to strip them and later run everything through MS Excel, OOO Calc, Google Docs, do a simple math and assemble (CONCATENATE) the result in another column for exporting.
Example: Put your text in A1. 30 is your fixed line length, then in A2 paste the formula =CONCATENATE(rept(".",30-LEN(A1)),A1) . That's it. See in Google docs: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgCfKEWvA3XRdExMb09fRlBZMjBfZjZEM1I5M0VvclE&hl=en_GB
If you need an advice, write me to translations eta ulozas dot com
Regards,
Ricardas
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| | | | Heinrich Pesch
Finland
Local time: 08:56
Member (2003)
Finnish to German
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TOPIC STARTER | Problem was no | May 10, 2010 |
It turned out I can translate in Trados TE or other tools, because the stuff is formatted accordingly. In TE I only see the text and nothing else.
There will be a need for editing in Word, if I have to use two lines where the source has only one.
Regards
Heinrich
| | | | Ulozas
Luxembourg
Local time: 07:56
| Splitting or a blank source segment | May 10, 2010 |
Heinrich Pesch wrote:
There will be a need for editing in Word, if I have to use two lines where the source has only one.
I'm not familiar with Trados TE, but generally you should be able to split the source segment or insert a blank one and have two on the translation side. It is not quite correct but it will work. It works in plaintext too.
If you don't see something in word, customise your options to show hidden text (and maybe fields or other necessary information).
Regards,
Ricardas
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Thierry Renon
France
Local time: 07:56
Member (2005)
English to French
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Hello Heinrich,
One idea is to replace the source text by the translation in the Word file, then review the Word file along with the video. You can do this by opening the video and reducing the Word file to the bottom of the screen (to make it look like real subtitles, then scroll down as you go along).
This has 2 advantages:
1. You can hear the source as you go along to double-check the meaning/etc.
2. You can check the speed of the subtitles ... See more Hello Heinrich,
One idea is to replace the source text by the translation in the Word file, then review the Word file along with the video. You can do this by opening the video and reducing the Word file to the bottom of the screen (to make it look like real subtitles, then scroll down as you go along).
This has 2 advantages:
1. You can hear the source as you go along to double-check the meaning/etc.
2. You can check the speed of the subtitles (a common problem in French, which is always longer than English) and then edit down accordingly.
This is also the closest you will get to a genuine rehearsal of the subtitle file, if you haven't got the software.
Hope this helps.
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I do this sort of stuff pretty regularly. As you noticed, the time codes don't cause any trouble because Trados just skips them. But the mid-sentence line breaks annoy me... I don't like translating half-sentences. So I get rid of them, translate, clean up, then insert line breaks where I need them.
Word search and replace can do it pretty easily, especially if each line has the same amount of dots.
The forum is useless for posting code so I won't even try to post an ex... See more I do this sort of stuff pretty regularly. As you noticed, the time codes don't cause any trouble because Trados just skips them. But the mid-sentence line breaks annoy me... I don't like translating half-sentences. So I get rid of them, translate, clean up, then insert line breaks where I need them.
Word search and replace can do it pretty easily, especially if each line has the same amount of dots.
The forum is useless for posting code so I won't even try to post an example of the replacements I use... post a snippet of your original if you want to know how to do the replacements. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | another option | Jul 29, 2010 |
You could try importing the file into www.subtitleyourvideo.com software. It sets up columns in the Translation and Review Center that let you compare your work with the original side by side. When you export, it will keep the same timecodes paired with your translation.
Good luck!
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