Poll: Would you work with translation agencies which use project management systems (Eg: Smartling)? Vestluse postitaja: ProZ.com Staff
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This forum topic is for the discussion of the poll question "Would you work with translation agencies which use project management systems (Eg: Smartling)?".
This poll was originally submitted by Bangyou Xiang. View the poll results »
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I avoid them as much as I can. I refuse to work with those where you don’t need to issue your own invoices, but what I hate most is that when I’m starting to be comfortable using their system it’s when they decide to change to a new one, which is always less user-friendly than the previous one...
| | | | Bangyou Xiang 
Hiina
Local time: 03:42
Liige (2019)
inglise - hiina
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| I won't work with these clients | Apr 22, 2024 |
I created this poll because I saw colleagues complaining about these systems which function on a "first come first served" basis. I was surprised that 61 percent selected "Yes". Maybe that's because the question was not clear? Due to the character restrictions, I cannot provide more information on this question.
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| | | | Lieven Malaise
Belgia
Local time: 20:42
Liige (2020)
prantsuse - hollandi
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| Clarification | Apr 22, 2024 |
Bangyou Xiang wrote:
This started this poll because I saw colleagues complaining about these systems which function on a "first come first served" basis. I was surprised that 61 percent selected "Yes". Maybe that's because the question was not clear? Due to the character restrictions, I cannot provide more information on this question.
Do you mean clients who send jobs to several translators through their (more or less) automated system and assign the job to the fastest responder?
If so, I have 1 client that works that way (pools of translators per end client that are treated equally) and I must admit that I was a bit offended at first because responding to a job offer after 2 minutes and noticing somebody else already took it it gives you the feeling that you are just a number. But in the end business is business, and in my case the jobs are nice and the pay is swift. So I put aside my pride and just make sure that I react fast enough to get the jobs if I want them (meaning reacting immediately, within seconds). And in 95% of the cases I actually do have them.
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Iulia Parvu
Rumeenia
Local time: 21:42
Liige (2022)
inglise - rumeenia
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I like to have a look at the source files before accepting a job. I care about quality and I know my limitations (for example, in the medical and technical fields), so accepting a job with the speed of a hawk to make sure I'm first is not for me.
I do, however, work with agencies that use project management systems in which I'm the only translator for my language pairs.
| | | | neilmac
Hispaania
Local time: 20:42
hispaania - inglise
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Nowadays I don't really work with agencies, and would be much less likely to do so anyway if they used "project management systems", which simply sounds like added complication to me.
| | | | Zea_Mays
Itaalia
Local time: 20:42
inglise - saksa
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I work with one client who uses Smartling, and there is no "first come, first served" dynamic involved. When the same content needs translation in multiple languages, a project management system is among the best tools you can use. In the case of large websites you _need_ them.
Another client uses a "first come, first served" system, but a) they found a method to scatter the jobs a bit fairer among the (quite many) transtlators (I think they also use quality scores in this), b) rates are a... See more I work with one client who uses Smartling, and there is no "first come, first served" dynamic involved. When the same content needs translation in multiple languages, a project management system is among the best tools you can use. In the case of large websites you _need_ them.
Another client uses a "first come, first served" system, but a) they found a method to scatter the jobs a bit fairer among the (quite many) transtlators (I think they also use quality scores in this), b) rates are acceptable and c) working with the agency is pleasant. Once you claimed a job, you can look at the source copy, and if you think you won't be able to complete or you don't like it, you can reject it.
Both systems have very useful query features, where questions and answers are available to the entire translator pool.
These systems require a bit of adaptation, but once you are familiar with them, the process is quite smooth.
Of course, in order to get a good experience, the agency needs to use these tools appropriately. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Cécile Bénédic
Saksamaa
Local time: 20:42
Liige (2016)
inglise - prantsuse
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Bangyou Xiang wrote:
This started this poll because I saw colleagues complaining about these systems which function on a "first come first served" basis. I was surprised that 61 percent selected "Yes". Maybe that's because the question was not clear? Due to the character restrictions, I cannot provide more information on this question.
The question was unfortunately not clear in that sense. I have many clients who use PMSs, but it's really rare they send projects "for the taking", on a "first come first basis". They send me projects, I can accept or decline. If I decline they would then ask another translator. Some use those system but would still send an email to know my availability beforehand.
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| Not clear... | Apr 22, 2024 |
Bangyou Xiang wrote:
This started this poll because I saw colleagues complaining about these systems which function on a "first come first served" basis. I was surprised that 61 percent selected "Yes". Maybe that's because the question was not clear? Due to the character restrictions, I cannot provide more information on this question.
I have just one client who uses this “first come, first served” method. If I happen to have no other job, I very occasionally accept it, but I am no runner and I don’t want to be “chosen” on the basis of my ability to quickly click on the mouse.
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Not sure what a project management system would involve, but paradoxically, it seems that the less manned and more automated a customer workflow, the lower the time-equivalent rate offered. Perhaps increasing automation increases costs exponentially, and translators are enrolled to fund automation densification (and input data).
Some of my agency clients have platforms of some sort to down-/upload projects and/or upload invoices, but I don't work with web-based CAT tools or automate... See more Not sure what a project management system would involve, but paradoxically, it seems that the less manned and more automated a customer workflow, the lower the time-equivalent rate offered. Perhaps increasing automation increases costs exponentially, and translators are enrolled to fund automation densification (and input data).
Some of my agency clients have platforms of some sort to down-/upload projects and/or upload invoices, but I don't work with web-based CAT tools or automated job notifications. More generally, anything that makes me waste time is unwelcome.
As regards the first-come, first-served approach, if the customer wants to work that way, so be it. They de facto priorize the most responsive providers. After routing job notifications to the junk folder or disabling the "feature" in the platform settings, that "customer" becomes a "non-customer". No big deal.
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| | | | Lingua 5B
Bosnia ja Hertsegoviina
Local time: 20:42
Liige (2009)
inglise - horvaadi
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Philippe Etienne wrote:
Perhaps increasing automation increases costs exponentially, and translators are enrolled to fund automation densification (and input data).
It does, as they have to buy (usually a subscription) for the automation system.
Philippe Etienne wrote:
As regards the first-come, first-served approach, if the customer wants to work that way, so be it. They de facto priorize the most responsive providers. After routing job notifications to the junk folder or disabling the "feature" in the platform settings, that "customer" becomes a "non-customer". No big deal.
Philippe
I understand they are an agency, need fast flows and fast money making. But there is a reasonable limit to everything. There were instances where I would respond within 2-5 minutes and would get a reply how the job had already been taken. That's why I just disregard crowd emails, and also mostly disregard offers where a CV is mentioned as all they want is to source my CV, while lying about a potential job.
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