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Berufsfachschule für electrotechnik
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In a certificate of school leave, the owner of the certificate is said to have graduated from "Berufsfachschule für electrotechnik"
Well, this has been translated as "Vocational school for electrical engineering" several times elsewhere, but I doubt this would be accurate.
An electrical engineer does not get a certificate from a vocational school; it is taken from universities.
Would it be better to call it "Vocational school for electrical technologies" or something like that?
Well, this has been translated as "Vocational school for electrical engineering" several times elsewhere, but I doubt this would be accurate.
An electrical engineer does not get a certificate from a vocational school; it is taken from universities.
Would it be better to call it "Vocational school for electrical technologies" or something like that?
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Aug 22, 2023 18:41: philgoddard changed "Field" from "Tech/Engineering" to "Other" , "Field (write-in)" from "Electrical vocational training" to "(none)"
Aug 22, 2023 22:40: writeaway changed "Field" from "Other" to "Social Sciences"
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(vocational) diploma in electrical engineering
Schule doesn't mean school or college here - it means course.
In my example, it's a one- or two-year programme, so it's a diploma rather than a degree.
You could leave out "vocational", since people will be taking it to improve their job prospects rather than for fun.
This one is provided by Berufliches Schulzentrum Leonberg:
2-jährige Berufsfachschule Elektrotechnik
Dieser Schultyp gilt als "Bindeglied" zwischen Hauptschule/Werkrealschule/Gemeinschaftsschule und weiterführender Schule und eröffnet interessierten Jugendlichen weitere Aufstiegsmöglichkeiten.
http://www.bszleo.de/schulangebot/vollzeitschulen/2-jaehrige...
And this by Friedrich-Hecker-Schule:
Die **Berufsfachschule Elektrotechnik** gibt es an der Friedrich-Hecker-Schule in zwei Arten. Zum einen ist das die einjährige Berufsfachschule, eine Schulart, welche den Grundstein für die betriebliche Ausbildung legt. Sie wird von den Schülern besucht, die in den Ausbildungsbetrieben in der Region Sinsheim im Elektrobereich ausgebildet werden...
https://www.friedrich-hecker-schule.de/berufsfelder/elektrot...
In my example, it's a one- or two-year programme, so it's a diploma rather than a degree.
You could leave out "vocational", since people will be taking it to improve their job prospects rather than for fun.
This one is provided by Berufliches Schulzentrum Leonberg:
2-jährige Berufsfachschule Elektrotechnik
Dieser Schultyp gilt als "Bindeglied" zwischen Hauptschule/Werkrealschule/Gemeinschaftsschule und weiterführender Schule und eröffnet interessierten Jugendlichen weitere Aufstiegsmöglichkeiten.
http://www.bszleo.de/schulangebot/vollzeitschulen/2-jaehrige...
And this by Friedrich-Hecker-Schule:
Die **Berufsfachschule Elektrotechnik** gibt es an der Friedrich-Hecker-Schule in zwei Arten. Zum einen ist das die einjährige Berufsfachschule, eine Schulart, welche den Grundstein für die betriebliche Ausbildung legt. Sie wird von den Schülern besucht, die in den Ausbildungsbetrieben in der Region Sinsheim im Elektrobereich ausgebildet werden...
https://www.friedrich-hecker-schule.de/berufsfelder/elektrot...
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Technical College in Electrical Technology or Electrical Engineering Technology
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Berufsfachschule | Wörterbuch Englisch-Deutsch
https://www.dict.cc › s=Berufsfachschule
Deutsch-Englisch-Übersetzung für "Berufsfachschule" ... technical college of vocational education educ. Werbung. Berufsfachschule {f} · vocational ...
Elektrotechnik | Wörterbuch Englisch-Deutsch
https://www.dict.cc › s=Elektrotechnik
electrical engineering educ. electr. wissenschaftliche Elektrotechnik {f} · electrical science acad. electr. engin ...
Electrical Engineering Technology
https://www.wtcsystem.edu › elect...
The Wisconsin Technical College System offers more than 500 programs awarding two-year associate degrees, one- and two-year technical diplomas, short-term ...
Electrical Engineering Technology - Welcome to Central ...
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29 ene. 2021 — Students who complete the Associate of Applied Science in Electrical Engineering ... Welcome to Central Ohio Technical College home page.
Electrical Technology - Southern Technical College
https://www.southerntech.edu › ... › Diploma Program
Earn your Electrical Technology diploma from Southern Technical College. Learn the trade to start a career as an Electrical Technician.
Electrical Engineering Technology/AAS - City Tech
https://www.citytech.cuny.edu › el...
The Electrical Engineering Technology program is designed to prepare graduates for careers as electronic technicians. The curriculum includes a balanced ...
Electrical Engineering Technology
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Prepare for a career with an Electrical Engineering Technology associate degree at Gateway's Sturtevant, WI center or focus on biomedical engineering.
Electrical Engineering Technology Associate Degree
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Earning your Associate Degree in Applied Science in the Electrical Engineering Technology program at Madison Area Technical College prepares you for valuable ...
2023 Best Colleges with Electrical Engineering Technician ...
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Berufsfachschule | Wörterbuch Englisch-Deutsch
https://www.dict.cc › s=Berufsfachschule
Deutsch-Englisch-Übersetzung für "Berufsfachschule" ... technical college of vocational education educ. Werbung. Berufsfachschule {f} · vocational ...
Elektrotechnik | Wörterbuch Englisch-Deutsch
https://www.dict.cc › s=Elektrotechnik
electrical engineering educ. electr. wissenschaftliche Elektrotechnik {f} · electrical science acad. electr. engin ...
Electrical Engineering Technology
https://www.wtcsystem.edu › elect...
The Wisconsin Technical College System offers more than 500 programs awarding two-year associate degrees, one- and two-year technical diplomas, short-term ...
Electrical Engineering Technology - Welcome to Central ...
https://www.cotc.edu › electrical-e...
29 ene. 2021 — Students who complete the Associate of Applied Science in Electrical Engineering ... Welcome to Central Ohio Technical College home page.
Electrical Technology - Southern Technical College
https://www.southerntech.edu › ... › Diploma Program
Earn your Electrical Technology diploma from Southern Technical College. Learn the trade to start a career as an Electrical Technician.
Electrical Engineering Technology/AAS - City Tech
https://www.citytech.cuny.edu › el...
The Electrical Engineering Technology program is designed to prepare graduates for careers as electronic technicians. The curriculum includes a balanced ...
Electrical Engineering Technology
https://www.gtc.edu › programs
Prepare for a career with an Electrical Engineering Technology associate degree at Gateway's Sturtevant, WI center or focus on biomedical engineering.
Electrical Engineering Technology Associate Degree
https://madisoncollege.edu › academics › programs
Earning your Associate Degree in Applied Science in the Electrical Engineering Technology program at Madison Area Technical College prepares you for valuable ...
2023 Best Colleges with Electrical Engineering Technician ...
https://www.niche.com › search
Results 1 - 25 of 726 — Ranking of the best colleges for electrical engineering technician majors. Compare the top electrical engineering technician schools in ...
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Full-time Vocational (BrE: City & Guilds) School of Electrical Engineering
Neither the first Discussion Entry, nor the question itself is particularly clear on what is 'taken from university'.
It's also a school or college *of*, rather than the prepositional Denglish of 'for'.
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weblink again: https://cdn.cityandguilds.com/productdocuments/engineering/e...
It's also a school or college *of*, rather than the prepositional Denglish of 'for'.
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weblink again: https://cdn.cityandguilds.com/productdocuments/engineering/e...
Example sentence:
IATE: de Berufsfachschule COM en full-time vocational school COM
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Technical College for Electrial Engineering
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Wörterbuch Hochschule by Dirk Siepmann, Deutscher Hochschulverband
Europass https://europa.eu/europass/lv/node/97
The term "vocational school" is also mentioned, but I would use this term for "Berufsschule"
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Technical College of Electrical Engineering - of course
Wörterbuch Hochschule by Dirk Siepmann, Deutscher Hochschulverband
Europass https://europa.eu/europass/lv/node/97
The term "vocational school" is also mentioned, but I would use this term for "Berufsschule"
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Technical College of Electrical Engineering - of course
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: European refs are helpful indeed! This link shows an EQF Level 4 - https://europa.eu/europass/fr/compare-qualifications?field_e...[6068]=6068&field_location_selection_target_id[6072]=6072
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German term (edited):
Berufsfachschule/Berufliche Schule (für Elektrotechnik)
vocational school (for electrical engineering) with classes in in higher education
Vielen Dank für den Link zu BERUFLICHE SCHULE ALTONA
Auf der Seite "Unsere Schule" wird spezifiziert, welche Abschlüsse dort erworben werden. Ich gehe davon aus, dass es hier um den höchsten Abschluss geht " geprüfte Techniker".
Neben der Berufsschule können Schülerinnen und Schüler bei uns in der Fachhochschule die Fachholschulreife erwerben oder sich in der Fachschule Technik zum Staatlich geprüften Techniker weiterbilden lassen.
https://www.bea-hamburg.de/unsere-schule/
2. Realschule until grade 10 or 11 (with Mittlere Reife (or Realschulabschluss) as exit exam); students can then attend Berufsfachschule (full-time vocational schools[24]) or Fachoberschule for 2-3 years, which combines vocational school and an apprenticeship. In some regions there is Regionalschule, which is a combination of Realschule and Hauptschule. Pupils study for either 9 years, to obtain a qualification similar to the Hauptschulabschluss, or 10 years, to get the Mittlere Reife.
After children complete their primary education (at 10 years of age/grade 4, 12 year of age in Berlin and Brandenburg), there are four options for secondary schooling [23]:
1. Gymnasium (Germany) until grade 12 or 13 (with Abitur as exit exam, qualifying for university).
2. Realschule until grade 10 or 11 (with Mittlere Reife (or Realschulabschluss) as exit exam); students can then attend Berufsfachschule (full-time vocational schools[24]) or Fachoberschule for 2-3 years, which combines vocational school and an apprenticeship. In some regions there is Regionalschule, which is a combination of Realschule and Hauptschule. Pupils study for either 9 years, to obtain a qualification similar to the Hauptschulabschluss, or 10 years, to get the Mittlere Reife.
3. Hauptschule until grade 9, with an exam called the Hauptschulabschluss, to conclude. Afterwards, students can attend vocational schools.
4. Gesamtschule, which is a combination of the above, for 5-8 years, with a different qualification for different durations: 5 years for the Hauptschulabschluss; if a student opts for the longer 8 year program, they can take the gymnasium abitur exam, qualifying for university.
After passing through any of the above schools, pupils can start a career with an apprenticeship in the Berufsschule (vocational school). The Berufsschule is normally attended twice a week during a two, three, or three-and-a-half-year apprenticeship; the other days are spent working at a company. This is intended to provide a knowledge of theory and practice.
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There is another type of university in Germany: the Fachhochschulen (Universities of Applied Sciences), which offer mostly the same degrees as Universitäten, but often concentrate on applied science (as the English name suggests)
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Students wishing to attend a German Universität must, as a rule, hold the Abitur or a subject-restricted qualification for university entrance (Fachgebundene Hochschulreife). For Fachhochschulen, the Abitur, the Fachgebundene Hochschulreife certification or the Fachhochschulreife certification (general or subject-restricted) is required.
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Those wishing to attend a university of applied sciences (Fachhochschule) must, as a rule, have Abitur, Fachhochschulreife, or a Meisterbrief.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Germany
advanced technical college entrance qualification | die Fachhochschulreife Pl.
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Fachhochschulreife
Term: Elektrotechnik
Term:
electrical engineering
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/46262/de-en
Term: Berufsschule
Definition: school in which students are taught the skills needed to perform a particular job
Term: vocational school
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/1568107/de-en
Term: Berufsaufbauschule
Definition: in Voll-oder Teilzeitform organisierte Schule, die mit Fachschulreife abschliesst und Teil des zweiten Bildungswegs ist
Term in context: An der Berufsaufbauschule können Jugendliche mit einer abgeschlossenen Berufsausbildung im gewerblich- technischen Bereich in einem Jahr Vollzeitunterricht die Fachschulreife (Mittlere Reife) erwerben. Sie vermittelt neben einer erweiterten Allgemeinbildung ebenso vertiefte naturwissenschaftlich- technische Kenntnisse.
Term: vocational college in higher education
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/1394033/de-en
Personal note: Myself, I made first an apprenticeship for electrician and attended a vocational school on evening courses, followed by the "Berufsaufbauschule" (vocational college in higher education) to achieve the "Fachhochschulreife" and qualified for studying at the university for applied sciences.
Conclusion: This vocational school has classes for higher education, but it does not name itself accordingly. The official translation remains 'vocational school'.
Personal note: I first completed an electrician apprenticeship and concurrently attended a vocational school in evening classes, then I attended a vocational college in higher education to obtain the university entrance qualification (Fachhochschulreife) and to qualify for studies at the University of Applied Sciences.
Conclusion: The vocational school has classes for the university entrance qualification, but does not call itself accordingly. The official translation is still "vocational school".
Auf der Seite "Unsere Schule" wird spezifiziert, welche Abschlüsse dort erworben werden. Ich gehe davon aus, dass es hier um den höchsten Abschluss geht " geprüfte Techniker".
Neben der Berufsschule können Schülerinnen und Schüler bei uns in der Fachhochschule die Fachholschulreife erwerben oder sich in der Fachschule Technik zum Staatlich geprüften Techniker weiterbilden lassen.
https://www.bea-hamburg.de/unsere-schule/
2. Realschule until grade 10 or 11 (with Mittlere Reife (or Realschulabschluss) as exit exam); students can then attend Berufsfachschule (full-time vocational schools[24]) or Fachoberschule for 2-3 years, which combines vocational school and an apprenticeship. In some regions there is Regionalschule, which is a combination of Realschule and Hauptschule. Pupils study for either 9 years, to obtain a qualification similar to the Hauptschulabschluss, or 10 years, to get the Mittlere Reife.
After children complete their primary education (at 10 years of age/grade 4, 12 year of age in Berlin and Brandenburg), there are four options for secondary schooling [23]:
1. Gymnasium (Germany) until grade 12 or 13 (with Abitur as exit exam, qualifying for university).
2. Realschule until grade 10 or 11 (with Mittlere Reife (or Realschulabschluss) as exit exam); students can then attend Berufsfachschule (full-time vocational schools[24]) or Fachoberschule for 2-3 years, which combines vocational school and an apprenticeship. In some regions there is Regionalschule, which is a combination of Realschule and Hauptschule. Pupils study for either 9 years, to obtain a qualification similar to the Hauptschulabschluss, or 10 years, to get the Mittlere Reife.
3. Hauptschule until grade 9, with an exam called the Hauptschulabschluss, to conclude. Afterwards, students can attend vocational schools.
4. Gesamtschule, which is a combination of the above, for 5-8 years, with a different qualification for different durations: 5 years for the Hauptschulabschluss; if a student opts for the longer 8 year program, they can take the gymnasium abitur exam, qualifying for university.
After passing through any of the above schools, pupils can start a career with an apprenticeship in the Berufsschule (vocational school). The Berufsschule is normally attended twice a week during a two, three, or three-and-a-half-year apprenticeship; the other days are spent working at a company. This is intended to provide a knowledge of theory and practice.
:
There is another type of university in Germany: the Fachhochschulen (Universities of Applied Sciences), which offer mostly the same degrees as Universitäten, but often concentrate on applied science (as the English name suggests)
:
Students wishing to attend a German Universität must, as a rule, hold the Abitur or a subject-restricted qualification for university entrance (Fachgebundene Hochschulreife). For Fachhochschulen, the Abitur, the Fachgebundene Hochschulreife certification or the Fachhochschulreife certification (general or subject-restricted) is required.
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Those wishing to attend a university of applied sciences (Fachhochschule) must, as a rule, have Abitur, Fachhochschulreife, or a Meisterbrief.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Germany
advanced technical college entrance qualification | die Fachhochschulreife Pl.
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Fachhochschulreife
Term: Elektrotechnik
Term:
electrical engineering
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/46262/de-en
Term: Berufsschule
Definition: school in which students are taught the skills needed to perform a particular job
Term: vocational school
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/1568107/de-en
Term: Berufsaufbauschule
Definition: in Voll-oder Teilzeitform organisierte Schule, die mit Fachschulreife abschliesst und Teil des zweiten Bildungswegs ist
Term in context: An der Berufsaufbauschule können Jugendliche mit einer abgeschlossenen Berufsausbildung im gewerblich- technischen Bereich in einem Jahr Vollzeitunterricht die Fachschulreife (Mittlere Reife) erwerben. Sie vermittelt neben einer erweiterten Allgemeinbildung ebenso vertiefte naturwissenschaftlich- technische Kenntnisse.
Term: vocational college in higher education
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/1394033/de-en
Personal note: Myself, I made first an apprenticeship for electrician and attended a vocational school on evening courses, followed by the "Berufsaufbauschule" (vocational college in higher education) to achieve the "Fachhochschulreife" and qualified for studying at the university for applied sciences.
Conclusion: This vocational school has classes for higher education, but it does not name itself accordingly. The official translation remains 'vocational school'.
Personal note: I first completed an electrician apprenticeship and concurrently attended a vocational school in evening classes, then I attended a vocational college in higher education to obtain the university entrance qualification (Fachhochschulreife) and to qualify for studies at the University of Applied Sciences.
Conclusion: The vocational school has classes for the university entrance qualification, but does not call itself accordingly. The official translation is still "vocational school".
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: Neither Berufsschule nor Fachhochschule were to be translated here. Nor any "higher education" (???). The term is about some EQF level 4.
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Wrong, the question was how to translate Berufsfachschule für electrotechnik", and that's what I did, taking into consideration my owns experiences, the BERUFLICHE SCHULE ALTONA and relevant references.
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Berufsfachschule (full time vocational course - basic course)
Berufsfachschule (full time vocational course - basic course)
School-leavers who are not yet 18 and who do not start an apprenticeship are obliged to attend a vocational college until they are of age. Teaching at Berufsfachschule consists of both vocational training (about 60%) and general education (about 40%).
Zweijaehrige Hoehere Berufsfachschule
Zweijaehrige Hoehere Berufsfachschule is a two years’ course that prepares students - in combination with a period of six months’ job placement at a company - to enter a University of Applied Sciences (Fachhochschule). The course also helps students improve their chances of starting an apprenticeship.
https://www.egb-koeln.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=a...
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Bildungsgänge
Berufsfachschule
• Berufsqualifizierung Elektroniker/innen Fachrichtung Energie und Gebäudetechnik, Fachrichtung Betriebstechnik
Fachoberschule
• Fachbereich Technik – Fachrichtung Elektrotechnik
A Bildungsgang is a course of studies or educational programme. The above two (among others) "Schulen" are courses of studies.
https://hibb.hamburg.de/schulen/schulportraits/bs22/
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Vocational diploma
In this 3 and a half year programme you can qualify for a huge range of vocational technical or skill-based professions in Germany, ending up in a diploma qualification that will be recognised all over the European Union. https://www.eurasia-institute.com/en/academic-pathway/vocati...
Curricula will be redesigned according to EQF indicators and descriptors. Three-year vocational qualifications and a four-year vocational diploma will be awarded. https://www.cedefop.europa.eu/files/2212_en.pdf
School-leavers who are not yet 18 and who do not start an apprenticeship are obliged to attend a vocational college until they are of age. Teaching at Berufsfachschule consists of both vocational training (about 60%) and general education (about 40%).
Zweijaehrige Hoehere Berufsfachschule
Zweijaehrige Hoehere Berufsfachschule is a two years’ course that prepares students - in combination with a period of six months’ job placement at a company - to enter a University of Applied Sciences (Fachhochschule). The course also helps students improve their chances of starting an apprenticeship.
https://www.egb-koeln.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=a...
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Bildungsgänge
Berufsfachschule
• Berufsqualifizierung Elektroniker/innen Fachrichtung Energie und Gebäudetechnik, Fachrichtung Betriebstechnik
Fachoberschule
• Fachbereich Technik – Fachrichtung Elektrotechnik
A Bildungsgang is a course of studies or educational programme. The above two (among others) "Schulen" are courses of studies.
https://hibb.hamburg.de/schulen/schulportraits/bs22/
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Vocational diploma
In this 3 and a half year programme you can qualify for a huge range of vocational technical or skill-based professions in Germany, ending up in a diploma qualification that will be recognised all over the European Union. https://www.eurasia-institute.com/en/academic-pathway/vocati...
Curricula will be redesigned according to EQF indicators and descriptors. Three-year vocational qualifications and a four-year vocational diploma will be awarded. https://www.cedefop.europa.eu/files/2212_en.pdf
Discussion
Am ehesten entspricht wohl die "Fachschule Technik" auf der BEA-Seite dem hier gesuchten Konzept. Ich würde jedoch darauf verzichten, eigene Lehrgangserfahrungen als Begründung anzuführen - vermutlich liegt Ihre diesbezgl. Ausbildung 40 oder noch mehr Jahre zurück?
Auch ein Sicherheitsgrad von CL5 für Ihre Antwort lässt sich genausowenig nachvollziehen wie Ihr Zusatz "with classes in higher education" (typos corrected...).
Anyway, this is the school website: https://www.bea-hamburg.de/
This is the street address: Museumstraße 19, 22765 Hamburg
The certificates granted were of "Elektroanlagemonteur" and graduation.
Yes indeed. So what country does the statement below refer to?
"Nowadays, vocational schools do not educate engineers, only technicians"
As an electrical engineer, I graduated with a degree in engineering from a university of applied sciences in Germany.
University designations differ from country to country, but the level of education should be the same worldwide.
Therefore, I ask to specify the country so that we can check the education system in that country. However, I doubt the name "Berufsfachschule für electrotechnik" (obviously a typo), because this is not correct German. Nowadays, vocational schools do not educate "engineers", only technicians, but this was common about 100 years ago. Can you please give us more details about the certificate, the name of the school, the country and the date of issue?