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Glossary entry

Englisch term or phrase:

profit costs

Deutsch translation:

Ertragsaufwand

Added to glossary by Hans G. Liepert
May 4, 2009 20:53
15 yrs ago
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Englisch term

profit costs

Englisch > Deutsch Rechts- und Patentwesen Recht (allgemein)
In a statement of costs in a claim for compensation (UK):

Profit costs: £xx
VAT: £xx
Conditional Fee Agreement: £xx
Premium: £xx
Disbursements: £xx

As far as I know, the profit costs are the charges the solicitor invoices the client for work he has done himself with the aim of making a profit.

Any idea how to say in German. Gewinnkosten?
Proposed translations (Deutsch)
4 Ertragsaufwand
3 +2 Aufwandsvergütung
3 Unkosten
3 Umtriebskosten
Change log

May 6, 2009 16:46: Hans G. Liepert Created KOG entry

Discussion

ukaiser (X) May 5, 2009:
@Sonja Dann fällt mir bloß noch analog zu cost of sales (Herstellungskosten der zur Eezielung der Umsatzerlöse erbrachten Leistungen) etwas wie "Kosten der zur Erzielung des Honorars erbrachten Leistungen" ein
Sonja Allen (asker) May 5, 2009:
Uwe/Werner Erfolgshonorar is the "conditional fee agreement" which is also mentioned and the text is written by a legal firm in the UK and doesn't strike me as particularly unenglish. The profit costs are, as far as I know, one of the costs of which the client has to pay a percentage in case he wins the claim. So they have to do with the "Erfolgshonorar" but are not the "Erfolgshonorar" itself.
Werner Hehn May 5, 2009:
"Loss of profit" All of the answers/suggestions given so far could be correct. However, as this concerns a claim for compensation, please make sure this does not refer to a "cost" for loss of profit. The rest of your text quoted is "not very English" so I think you may be translating a translation into English.
ukaiser (X) May 4, 2009:
Profit costs gibt nicht viele Treffer, und keine, die was aussagen. Wenn aber deine Erklärung stimmt, dann müsste es doch etwas wie das in Deutschland erst seit vergangenem Jahr erlaubte "Erfolgshonorar" sein??

Proposed translations

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Ertragsaufwand

Quelle, Der Grosse Eichborn
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you all for your help. I decided in the end to take this more literal translation and put an explanation in a footnote"
4 Min.

Unkosten

a bit of an odd expression, those "profit costs". If it is meant to be the same as expenses i.e. reduction of profits due to outlays, I'd go for the straight meaning.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Hans G. Liepert : Unkosten ist eine Unart: Es gibt nur Kosten, keine Unkosten
9 Min.
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17 Min.

Aufwandsvergütung

könnte hier doch auch passen

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Note added at 11 hrs (2009-05-05 08:28:49 GMT)
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Hi Sonja,
I just found this definition:

Aufwandsvergütung
Bei einer Vergütung nach Aufwand vereinbaren Auftragnehmer und Auftraggeber sowohl die zu erbringende Leistung als auch einen spezifischen Honorarsatz. Dieser Honorarsatz wird typischerweise in Stunden- oder Tagessätzen bemessen. Hinzu kommen weitere Aufwendungen z.B für Material, Maschinen, Werkzeuge und Spesen.

[...]

http://www.projektmagazin.de/glossar/gl-0697.html
Note from asker:
I think your translation refers more to the "disbursements". On the internet I found the following definition to differentiate between profit costs and disbursements: The traditional view of the distinction between profit costs and disbursements is that profit costs covers work done by a solicitor whereas disbursements are payments actually made by the solicitor in the conduct of litigation (court fees, expert fees and the like). (see http://www.lcnltd.co.uk/news/PILJ%20Article%20Aug%202006%20-%20Agency%20Fees.pdf)
Peer comment(s):
agree Annett Hieber : Finde ich hier sehr passend!
8 Stunden
Many thanks, Annett
agree Katja Schoone
9 Stunden
Danke, Katja - und guten Morgen :-)
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2013 Tage

Umtriebskosten

May usual translation for Umtriebskosten.

Better late than never,
Reference:

http://www.justanswer.de/anwalt-ch/7zc6c-sehr-geehrte-damen-und-herren-ein-unternemen-gl-ubiger.html

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