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Jun 9, 2022 18:55
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Spanish term

grupos civiles (véase contexto)

Spanish to English Social Sciences Government / Politics Venezuela
The term "grupos civiles" appears in a sworn statement of a refugee seeking political asylum. He's describing the circumstances that caused him to flee from Venezuela. It reads: "estaba en mi trabajo y mientras salía a almorzar y bajaba las escaleras,
se me acercaron nuevamente los grupos de civiles a los que pagaba el gobierno que se hacían
llamar el grupo irregular."
and the term appears again here: "creía firmemente en mi opinión liberal y seguí hablando y protestando
amistosamente y ...los civiles se me acercaron nuevamente y se llamaron a sí
mismos el grupo irregular.

Is it referring to vigilantes? Not sure this would be the best translation.
Proposed translations (English)
1 +5 civilians enlisted by the government
4 +1 bandits
4 pro-government civilians

Discussion

Muriel Vasconcellos Jun 10, 2022:
@ Tomasso In my response to your comment on my answer, I noted that If the situation is like what I think it is, the dictators *pay bounties* to civilians to turn in "enemies". They are not organized groups.
Tomasso Jun 10, 2022:
Please read this, maybe another take Note phrase in question sí mismos el grupo*** irregular.***https://www.reuters.com/article/venezuela-enfrentamientos-id... https://www.lagranaldea.com/2021/04/12/son-mas-de-20-estados... Pues, se refiere a Tropas, militias, IREGULARS. ?
Muriel Vasconcellos Jun 9, 2022:
@Wilsonn And your point is? If you're suggesting that a translation of "grupos" should have been in my answer, I don't think it's necessary.
Wilsonn Perez Reyes Jun 9, 2022:
1.4 El formato del glosario debe mantenerse A partir de las preguntas y respuestas de KudoZ se generan automáticamente borradores de entradas de glosario. Por esta razón, las expresiones del tipo "ver abajo"o "en este contexto" no deben incluirse en las casillas provistas para los términos, ni al preguntar ni al responder.
https://esl.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_general/1.4?set_site_la...
Luis M. Sosa Jun 9, 2022:
With Tom Quite common in Venezuela, Colombia and Ecuador. Yes they are all civilians, their purposes not that civilized. Tom's takes in his most recent entry might work well.
Thomas Walker Jun 9, 2022:
@Hinara I don't think "vigilantes" is quite right here, although more context would help us to get a better idea of exactly who these groups are. Absent more information, I would think maybe just "irregular groups" or "groups of irregulars'" might work.
Thomas Walker Jun 9, 2022:
@Hinara If the source text that you provide is correct, the phrase is "grupos de civiles," not "grupos civiles," as you put it in your question. In this contexct, I think "grupos de civiles" would translate as something like groups of civilians, presumably as distinguished from regular police.

Proposed translations

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civilians enlisted by the government

This situation sounds like what went on in Brazil under the 1964 dictatorship. The government paid bounties to civilians who "denounced" or turned in perceived "traitors." Some of them were students on university campuses who made up stories about their targets to cash in on the opportunity.
Peer comment(s):
agree David Hollywood : on the right track IMO Muriel
25 mins
Thank you, David!
agree James A. Walsh : I think so, as well; you could also say 'government enlistees' (ambiguously)
1 hr
Thank you, James!
agree Thomas Walker : I think you're probably right, but I'd like to see more context to confirm the "enlisted by the government" part.
3 hrs
Thanks, Tom!
agree Tomasso : Yes deputized is not the right word,
7 hrs
If the situation is like what I think it is, the dictators *pay bounties* civilians to turn in "enemies". They don't have any official status.
agree AllegroTrans : yes, groups of civilians, no need to elaborate
3 days 15 hrs
At first I agreed with you, but I do think it's important to point out the government's role.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "government enlistees"
12 hrs

pro-government civilians

An option, based on (pax) Muriel's suggestion and my own research.

"He was taken back to the square by pro-government civilians, and made to lie in a large pile of protesters..."

Example sentence:

More than a hundred pro-government civilians on Sunday mobbed a handful of protesters who showed up at Havana's Central Park...

the rebels in Donetsk and Lugansk have transferred 74 Ukrainian soldiers and pro-government civilians to Kiev

Reference:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nicaragua-pro-government-forces-civilians-violently-retake-symbolic-area-from-protesters/

http://https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1946v11/d300

Note from asker:
Thank you for your efforts.
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+1
20 hrs

bandits

banditry acts
Note from asker:
Thank you for your efforts.
Peer comment(s):
agree Tomasso : May be similar to bandits in some ways, (trato ser amable con todos), paramilitary bandits? I read this https://www.lagranaldea.com/2021/04/12/son-mas-de-20-estados... Dice Grupos armado de irregulares.
10 hrs
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